Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Do you know of an event where riders may be getting together for things other than riding? Bike Nights? Riding Clinics? Coffee? Post it here!
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby MerlotMax » January 15th, 2015, 6:43 pm

Good topic, especially since a nail was found in my rear tire in the air up before the ride.

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » January 15th, 2015, 10:10 pm

Glad you found the nail. Better to find it at the shop than later on the road.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » February 8th, 2015, 10:21 pm

Rider Skills Clinic this Saturday

This month's topic is Dealing with Emergencies on the Road.


Location:
Mr. Ed's Moto
414 Queen Ave SW
Albany, OR


When:
9 am

Cost:
FREE!!!

Ride after discussion to implement what you've learned.
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What's it all about?

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for 1-3 year riders, focusing on:
Increased awareness of current abilities and our potential to improve.
Small, digestible topics + practice = sharper skills.
Tools for adversity (greater comfort, confidence, ability)
Defense from the forces of Survival Reactions (Things that make average riders do bad things to good bikes.)
Text from Keith Code's "Twist of the Wrist II"
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby MerlotMax » February 18th, 2015, 11:29 am

In keeping with the topic we discussed, I had a link to this little jewel in my email this morning -
https://www.toyotaap.com/powerall-all-in-one-powerbank-3.aspx

I have also posted it in the General Discussion group. If anyone is interested in one, you can contact me in the parts department of Toyota of Corvallis.

Matt

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » March 8th, 2015, 9:00 pm

Free Albany Riding Clinic sponsored by Doc Wong Northwest



Saturday, March 14




Location:
Mr. Ed's Moto
414 Queen Ave SW
Albany, OR


When:
9 am

Cost:
FREE!!!

Ride after discussion to implement what you've learned.
___________________________________________________________

DWNW Background
What's it all about?

Doc Wong NW is a free community skills clinic
for 1-3 year riders, focusing on:
Increased awareness of current abilities and our potential to improve.
Small, digestible topics + practice = sharper skills.
Tools for adversity (greater comfort, confidence, ability)
Defense from the forces of Survival Reactions (Things that make average riders do bad things to good bikes.)
Text from Keith Code's "Twist of the Wrist II"

'Oh Shit!' is usually the moment when your plan parts ways with reality

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby JinXX » March 8th, 2015, 10:05 pm

one of these days Ill attend one of these clinics, something always seems come up.

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby BrandonOR » March 25th, 2015, 1:58 pm

I just got this date off work so I will be attending, I am still a fairly new rider and am excited to start meeting some other riders and of course learn some stuff :D
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » April 9th, 2015, 10:51 am

Clinic this Saturday! See the top post for details.

http://www.ride44.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=846&p=7356#p7356

April Topic: Putting it all Together - Riding the Ride
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » May 4th, 2015, 1:21 pm

Doc Wong Clinic - This months topic
Awareness, Vision and Vanishing Point

Saturday, 9am at Mr. Eds Moto/ Premiere Motogear in Albany
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » June 9th, 2015, 8:08 pm

Doc Wong Clinic this Saturday

June Topic: Steering Input/Handlebar Pressure

https://sites.google.com/site/docwongoregon/home/Sessions/cornering-confidence---the-steering-input

9am at Mr. Eds Moto in Albany.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » June 9th, 2015, 8:08 pm

Doc Wong Clinic this Saturday

June Topic: Steering Input/Handlebar Pressure

https://sites.google.com/site/docwongoregon/home/Sessions/cornering-confidence---the-steering-input

9am at Mr. Eds Moto in Albany.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby MassNerder » June 28th, 2015, 3:54 pm

Just curious if there's going to be a clinic on July 11th. How many people usually attend? Any topic decided on? I'll use any instruction I can get. Thanks a lot

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » June 28th, 2015, 7:31 pm

Yes... it will be happening. Topics are established and are on an annual schedule.

July's topic is Throttle Control.

More information can be found on the first post and on the Doc Wong NW website http://sites.google.com/site/docwongoregon/home?pli=1
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » July 5th, 2015, 10:02 pm

Bump... this upcoming Saturday!
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby TelemarkSean » July 6th, 2015, 8:58 am

Pretty sure I'm attending this one. Want to meet up somewhere to ride from Eugene?

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby wileycoyote » July 7th, 2015, 8:02 am

Yeah, let's meet at the Starbucks on Gateway, St. in Springfield at 7:30, kickstands up at 7:45 am.

Meet at 7:30 am
Kickstands up at 7:45 AM
Starbucks
3348 Gateway Street
Springfield, OR
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby TelemarkSean » July 11th, 2015, 7:50 am

Aw man. You're late. I'm heading out at 7:55.

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby wileycoyote » July 11th, 2015, 12:15 pm

Shit. I'm sorry, man. I totally forgot to let you know that I couldn't make it due to the day I had yesterday. My apologies. I hope you found your way there.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby TelemarkSean » July 11th, 2015, 2:28 pm

No worries. I made it.

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby Dustpan » July 11th, 2015, 2:56 pm

I love it when, "Plan 'B' " comes together! :lol:
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby wileycoyote » July 11th, 2015, 3:10 pm

TelemarkSean wrote:No worries. I made it.

Oh good. My apologies for bailing on you without warning. I totally forgot that I had committed to riding up with you. It's been a crazy week, I'm not normally this unreliable.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby gcdude » July 12th, 2015, 11:03 pm

Well you missed an "exciting" ride on Saturday Wiley.

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » August 3rd, 2015, 8:21 am

Happening this upcoming Saturday, Aug. 8
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » September 9th, 2015, 4:02 pm

Coming up this Saturday... This months topic is Stable Body Position and Anchor Points.

Location:
Mr. Ed's Moto
414 Queen Ave SW
Albany, OR


When:
9 am

Cost:
FREE!!!

Ride after discussion to implement what you've learned.
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What's it all about?

Doc Wong NW is a free community skills clinic focusing on:
Increased awareness of current abilities and our potential to improve.
Small, digestible topics + practice = sharper skills.
Tools for adversity (greater comfort, confidence, ability)
Defense from the forces of Survival Reactions (Things that make average riders do bad things to good bikes.)
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby MerlotMax » September 11th, 2015, 10:34 am

Will have to miss this month, gotta work.

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » September 11th, 2015, 3:50 pm

bummer!
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby Vinomoto » September 16th, 2015, 2:22 am

I really want to do the Sept issue if it isn't snowing!

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » October 4th, 2015, 9:12 pm

Rider skill clinic is this upcoming Saturday, October 11. 9am at Mr. Eds Moto.

This months topic is Weight Transfer and Pivot Steering.

Ride after discussion and a stop for lunch.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » November 8th, 2015, 11:24 pm

Rider Skills Clinic
Saturday, November 14
9am

Location:
Mr. Ed's Moto
414 Queen Ave SW
Albany, OR

This months topic is Riding in the Rain.

Every year we have covered this topic, it has been a beautiful day. Will this be the first year to actually have some precipitation on the ride? Come find out!

Discussion at 9am
Ride at 10am.

Lunch after the ride.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby wileycoyote » November 9th, 2015, 9:11 am

RickRick wrote:Every year we have covered this topic, it has been a beautiful day. Will this be the first year to actually have some precipitation on the ride?

It's definitely looking that way, isn't it?
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby JonXX » November 11th, 2015, 2:43 am

Since this the de facto training group thread, I figured I'd make this suggestion here where more interested people would see it.

Several groups have booked Team Oregon's Rider Skills Practice courses privately, and some have made them a light-hearted competition, with groups even giving awards for performance, improvement, even "best rider with a dog." RSP is very different from other Team Oregon classes in that riders are evaluated right at the start, where good habits are identified and improved upon, and less-good habits are identified and corrected. It's not expensive, and I would suggest that the "Doc Wong Regulars" consider booking an RSP as a group as a better way to gauge improvement in a structured, tangible way.

I know that several here on this board take the Advanced Rider Training in the spring every or every other year, I'd suggest taking RSP as a "spring brush-up." Unlike ART, which emphasizes linking turns, RSP emphasizes more real-world-useful (in my opinion) items like hazard avoidance and precision handling techniques.

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby wileycoyote » November 11th, 2015, 6:32 pm

I've often thought about doing RSP, but I'd rather have a machine that's built for tighter turns than the two I have. What's it cost for a private "party?"
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby Mossy-Back » November 11th, 2015, 7:57 pm

I like that idea. I'd attend.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby HarleyRdr » November 12th, 2015, 7:13 pm

This is a great idea! I did this last summer with a different group of folks. The cost is the same as a normal class, I think it's $99. When you have a group and guarantee a full class you can arrange a different day for the class. We did it on a Saturday in July. Being on our 'normal' bikes was a huge help. Everyone of us improved and took new skills back to the streets. It was fun watching these big Harley baggers doing the exercises and getting better and better each time. I can't wait to do the class again, and this time on the new bike.

For me, I still hear the instructions advice in my head as I ride and I am still improving. It was great fun and I would suggest this as a good event for this group.

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby ELI the ICE man » November 15th, 2015, 8:25 am

That was nice.
Been off the bike for awhile and was feeling very rusty. Thanks to Tim and Rick for showing me around the old roads I liked to ride.
415 miles later I still feel rusty, but a bit better.

Oh, and no real rain again this year either. (I was dry all the way home too)
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby wileycoyote » November 15th, 2015, 11:57 am

Thanks for coming down & thanks for hanging out longer & riding home in the dark on the super slab. Yesterday was a good day.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby RickRick » November 15th, 2015, 12:37 pm

A great day of riding indeed! Thanks for making the journey south!
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby JonXX » November 15th, 2015, 9:36 pm

wileycoyote wrote:I've often thought about doing RSP, but I'd rather have a machine that's built for tighter turns than the two I have. What's it cost for a private "party?"

I'll bet you your next payment on the Daytona that it can turn much tighter than you can - which is exactly the point of the class. :)

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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby wileycoyote » November 15th, 2015, 11:54 pm

Fair enough. Perhaps I'll look into doing it next spring.
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Re: Rider Skill Clinic- Albany - 2nd Saturday each Month

Postby Cruiser68 » December 3rd, 2015, 1:09 am

Both my wife and I would like to take the RSP this spring. Anybody know how many riders we have to get together for a private class? Having a friendly competition with awards would be a hoot!

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