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No more Supermoto??

Postby Spincycle » June 13th, 2012, 9:05 pm

I have been in the process of converting my dual sport Yamaha into a "Supermoto", just a couple years ago there were several factory SM's to choose from and now it looks like that most manufacturers have pulled their SM lineup from the U.S. market. I have thought that Supermoto's give a new rider a "cool" way to break into motorcycling without the high HP drama of Sportbikes and with a very durable and flexible package. Yamaha still offers their WR250x (they have a XT660X overseas..) and KTM has one SM but it's not a road legal machine. Husqvarna has withdrawn also?? Even Suzuki has stopped offering the DRZ400SM on their website. So it's all about the money and obviously the U.S. market has not bought in, if you think you would like to have one it's time to pop for a low mileage DRZ or Husky because they may be rare soon... :thumbdown:
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 13th, 2012, 9:55 pm

While it's true that factory SM imports have been greatly reduced in the last two years, GasGas, Husaberg, Yamaha, KTM and Husqvarna do still offer darksiders with lights. Husky pulled a Suzuki move and threatened to not bring any factory SMs to the states because the SM630's were humongous turds on wheels and didn't sell (even after the $2500 price dump - thank Bob they only made them one year), so dealers were buying extra TE 511s and 449s and converting them themselves. Then, out of the blue...

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2012 factory SM511 in front, Bill's 2012 M511 (converted TE) behind

While I don't know about the other manufacturers (mostly because I really don't care about them), Huskies street lineup is now being heavily influenced by parent company BMW. They're bringing the "hardcore" SMs (449 and 511, true dirt bikes with roadrace tires and plates) for the corner carvers, but they're also moving back toward Husqvarnas street roots with the Moab (retro-scrambler harkening the mid-70's CR's), the Strada (reincarnated and rebadged BMW G650X Challenge), and the Nuda 900 and 900R (street tracker).

Moab (I want one to park next to my '76 360CR)
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Nuda 900R (I WILL have one of these within the next 12 months, even though I think the styling is too angular)
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I think that both the Nuda and Moab are smart moves on Huskys part. The Moab fills a gap by being a lower-slung, easy to ride machine that has a torquey big single with good power levels without being too twitchy. The NudaR is a flat-out hotrod for the street and track with a 900cc parallel twin (same engine as the F650- and F800GS bored out and tuned differently), Ohlins suspension, and a riding position that makes it equally suited for ripping and light touring (there are even hard bags available for it). The Nuda (standard) is geared more toward the commuter that wants a "fun bike" for the weekends too.

One of the problems is, as it always is, this is America. Us 'Merkans want the biggest engine and the most power possible. True supermotos just don't deliver that in raw numbers. Unfortunately few people understand that real-world application is different from a dyno sheet. The guys with 180+ hp bikes that have ridden alongside my 48hp bike understand that difference. This is pretty much universally true for this country; from 93-96 the ZX11 was the fastest bike on the planet, then the CBR1100XX took that crown in 97 and the ZX11 didn't sell. Then in 99 (I think) the Hayabusa came along and unseated the XX, and the XX quit selling here (did you know the XX was discontinued only five years ago? But Honda quit bringing them here in 05).

The other problem is that AMA abandoned Supermoto racing a few years ago. There are still several regionals and a national promotion, but it's hard to sell a bike here that doesn't have an AMA sanctioned class.

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby ELI the ICE man » June 13th, 2012, 9:57 pm

ah crap. As in oh crap my choices are limited... but oh crap look what Jonxx found!
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Spincycle » June 13th, 2012, 10:02 pm

I hear what you are saying....http://www.husqvarna-motorcyclesna.com/index.php Husky's website isn't concurring....
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Sasquatch » June 13th, 2012, 10:03 pm

I'm liking that Strada!

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 13th, 2012, 10:04 pm

ELI the ICE man wrote:ah crap. As in oh crap my choices are limited... but oh crap look what Jonxx found!

Heh heh it just got worse, didn't it :stir:

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 13th, 2012, 10:09 pm

Spincycle wrote:I hear what you are saying....http://www.husqvarna-motorcyclesna.com/index.php Husky's website isn't concurring....

Yep it was a last-minute decision to bring them in - Bill got a phone call from the president of Husqvarna NA asking how many SMs he'd built and sold, and would he like to have some factory SMs instead. Bill is kind of a big deal in the Husqvarna world :)

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 13th, 2012, 10:11 pm

Sasquatch wrote:I'm liking that Strada!


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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby flyin blonde » June 13th, 2012, 10:57 pm

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 14th, 2012, 1:26 am

I didn't forget the Aprila SXV450/550 (their supermotos), I wanted to talk about bikes that don't need new engines every 5,000 miles. The Dorsoduro and Tuono are more standards or street trackers, like the Nuda.

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Spincycle » June 14th, 2012, 5:18 am



That would be a "Hypermotoard" like the Ducati, aimed more at road riding than hooliganism! Homda has a trail bike with 17's on it and are calling it a SM but no power from an aircooled 220cc four stroke and budget suspension equals a totoal Fail as an SM.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby elton » June 14th, 2012, 10:12 pm

i use to be a die hard yamaha fan but was really let down a 250 really ? i went with a drz400sm was the most fun bike ive owned i put 16k hard miles never had any issues
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby polarbear » June 14th, 2012, 11:03 pm

Aprilia still hasn't got that 450 v-twin to hold together yet.........


If they do...... that would be the way to go...........

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby ELI the ICE man » June 15th, 2012, 9:11 am

If that yamaha 250 is anything like my Dad's YZF250 (2001-ish???) then its a beast for a 250 and I would rock it! It has an impressive bottom range (read wheelie machine)... and then when you think it has almost red-lined, twist the throttle more and discover an explosive top end that no one ever uses. You don't really need the top end though... I rode around on it plenty quickly with just grunting in the bottom end. I have no idea what the power really is, but the bike doesn't weigh much. Throttle response was so crisp and precise.... FUN BIKE.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby flyin blonde » June 15th, 2012, 10:01 am

I see a lot of Yamaha TTR's on CL, for reasonable. I'm not sure if its possible, but I've always thought they would make a decent dualsport if all you had to do was add the lights, horn, etc. necessary equipment and register it. Anybody ever try that?
I'm not saying it would make a super-moto, just a legal d/s.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 15th, 2012, 10:24 pm

flyin blonde wrote:I see a lot of Yamaha TTR's on CL, for reasonable. I'm not sure if its possible, but I've always thought they would make a decent dualsport if all you had to do was add the lights, horn, etc. necessary equipment and register it. Anybody ever try that?
I'm not saying it would make a super-moto, just a legal d/s.


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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JinXX » June 16th, 2012, 10:37 pm

WOW I like the nuda, any word on release date in the US?
I always wanted the k1300r but they are not sold in the US so sad

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 17th, 2012, 12:54 am

possibly as early as september, more likely toward year's end or first quarter

this is a good thing though, let it be out in europe for a couple of debug cycles first, unlike the 630's

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby wileycoyote » June 17th, 2012, 9:19 am

Ah crap. This puts a wrench in my works too. I need a few years before I even think about a sumo. Dammit.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Spincycle » June 17th, 2012, 9:26 am

You can still do it... You may have to buy an enduro and put Sumo wheels on it but I'm guessing there are more than a few suspension changes to a factory Supermoto versus the dirt oriented bikes. Just like the B-King, everyone loved it on the web and in bike mags then when Suzuki made it....nobody bought it.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 17th, 2012, 9:55 am

Spincycle wrote:buy an enduro and put Sumo wheels on it but I'm guessing there are more than a few suspension changes to a factory Supermoto versus the dirt oriented bikes. .

Which, if I knew then what I know know, is exactly what I'd do. If you want to swing both ways, it's about $1200 less to convert a TE to an SM than it is to go the other way around.

But...Last winter I proved that a 21/18 combo isn't a requirement for the trails, and I'm about to prove 17's a perfectly fine on the OBDR next week.

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Spincycle » June 17th, 2012, 1:04 pm

JonXX wrote:
Spincycle wrote:buy an enduro and put Sumo wheels on it but I'm guessing there are more than a few suspension changes to a factory Supermoto versus the dirt oriented bikes. .

Which, if I knew then what I know know, is exactly what I'd do. If you want to swing both ways, it's about $1200 less to convert a TE to an SM than it is to go the other way around.

But...Last winter I proved that a 21/18 combo isn't a requirement for the trails, and I'm about to prove 17's a perfectly fine on the OBDR next week.


What your going to prove is that you have MORE questionable judgement than we thought... :wtf:
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Sasquatch » June 17th, 2012, 1:59 pm

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » June 17th, 2012, 11:45 pm

ELI the ICE man wrote:If that yamaha 250 is anything like my Dad's YZF250 (2001-ish???) then its a beast for a 250 and I would rock it! It has an impressive bottom range (read wheelie machine)... and then when you think it has almost red-lined, twist the throttle more and discover an explosive top end that no one ever uses. You don't really need the top end though... I rode around on it plenty quickly with just grunting in the bottom end. I have no idea what the power really is, but the bike doesn't weigh much. Throttle response was so crisp and precise.... FUN BIKE.

The Yamaha WR250X is pretty snappy, and really fun. You can safely double-up the power on them by adding a turbo. There's a guy in Alabama that does a kit, they're awesome, and not terrible money, a little over a grand if I remember right. Cos everyone loves a twofiddy that can power wheelie in fifth... :twisted:

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby ELI the ICE man » October 7th, 2012, 5:06 pm

This just in... after having this talk (again) at the Fall Picnic, I have found that Suzuki is now making their DRZ400SM motard in 2013 again!!! Yeah.
http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/DR-Z400/2013/DRZ400S.aspx

However, For me, I think the WR250R (not F or X) is the better bet. The F has the best punch in the motor, but is the 5-valve beastly race motor that needs to be rebuilt regularly. The X has the street tires and "traveling" motor. The R is the street legal version with dirt wheels still and "traveling" motor.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » October 8th, 2012, 12:15 am

Get the R and spend another $900 on a supermoto conversion kit.

Or, spend a few dollars more and get a leftover 2012 TE449 and a supermoto kit, if there are any left BMW Motorrad Financing usually does a zero down and 1 or 2% in the late spring on leftovers.

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Nopis10 » October 8th, 2012, 8:39 pm

Holy crap and it's msrp is only $6,999. Compared to the used ones for sale on craigslist that's a steal, hopefully it will bring the price of them down now since most I see are still in the 4,500 to 5,999 range and in general they're pretty rare so you have to take what you can find. This is good news since the sm was always going to be my next bike purchase(while keeping the SV of course).

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » December 7th, 2012, 12:13 am

2013 DRZ400SM

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby MotoMonkey » December 7th, 2012, 2:01 am

Realllllly wanting a supermoto. Want something a bit more snappy than my DR350 Bucket of bolts but dont want to get away from the dirtbike feel. For the price I think a drz400sm could be a bit of fun
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Mossy-Back » December 7th, 2012, 5:34 pm

MotoMonkey wrote:Realllllly wanting a supermoto. Want something a bit more snappy than my DR350 Bucket of bolts but dont want to get away from the dirtbike feel. For the price I think a drz400sm could be a bit of fun


Or... find a plated Honda XR650R. I've heard they are very fun in SM trim. Liquid cooled, light weight, VERY dirtbike-ish!

I've seen a few around over the past few months for decent prices, plated in Oregon.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby JonXX » December 27th, 2012, 12:34 am

It's unknown at the moment whether or not Husqvarna will "sneak" any factory SM's into the states for 2013. It's pretty widely expected, though, that the larger dealers will bring in SM front ends for roughly half of the TE's that they order. So, worst case, there won't be "factory" Husky SM's but there will be "dealer-correct" SM's. Bill's has also been taking select TXC511's, and lighting and titling them.

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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby ELI the ICE man » December 27th, 2012, 12:54 am

I may be interested in learning more about this (huskies in general)... depends on a few things in the future.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

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Yeah, me too. Trinity's paid off in September & I'll be in the market for a new bike then.
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby ELI the ICE man » December 27th, 2012, 10:41 am

wileycoyote wrote:Yeah, me too. ...........


We can compare notes... a nice big-bore thumper, wheelie machine, off-road capable, light-weight hooligan bike is probably exactly what we both want. :D
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Re: No more Supermoto??

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:crackup: .....and what you both really need! :lol: :thumbup:
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Mossy-Back » December 27th, 2012, 3:58 pm

What I want to know is... How are the Husky's (say, the 511) as far as dependability, fuel economy, and maint. cost?

I love my XR because it is simple and tough...
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby wileycoyote » December 27th, 2012, 7:53 pm

ELI the ICE man wrote:
wileycoyote wrote:Yeah, me too. ...........


We can compare notes... a nice big-bore thumper, wheelie machine, off-road capable, light-weight hooligan bike is probably exactly what we both want. :D

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Mossy-Back wrote:What I want to know is... How are the Husky's (say, the 511) as far as dependability, fuel economy, and maint. cost?

I love my XR because it is simple and tough...

I can tell you what I know about the SM610. You have to carry a full tool kit & a bottle of Loctite. :lol:
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby ELI the ICE man » December 27th, 2012, 9:11 pm

Mossy-Back wrote:What I want to know is... How are the Husky's (say, the 511) as far as dependability, fuel economy, and maint. cost?

I love my XR because it is simple and tough...


Better than KTM... worse than a Jap from what I understand.
I want something as close to a plated dirt bike as possible. The KLR's aren't that... the Yami WR's are pretty good, but the engine doesn't get bigger than 250cc's.
Husky seems to make what I want... a.k.a. TE511 (for 2013 models anyway).

HOWEVER, my questions are the same as yours... The WR is also on the table because I know they are pretty bullet proof (if we are talking about the dual stort WR, and not the offroad/race one... which is just an added headlight from the YZ.... sorta).
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby H2bill » December 27th, 2012, 10:56 pm

ELI the ICE man wrote:
Mossy-Back wrote:What I want to know is... How are the Husky's (say, the 511) as far as dependability, fuel economy, and maint. cost?

I love my XR because it is simple and tough...


Better than KTM... worse than a Jap from what I understand.
I want something as close to a plated dirt bike as possible. The KLR's aren't that... the Yami WR's are pretty good, but the engine doesn't get bigger than 250cc's.
Husky seems to make what I want... a.k.a. TE511 (for 2013 models anyway).

HOWEVER, my questions are the same as yours... The WR is also on the table because I know they are pretty bullet proof (if we are talking about the dual stort WR, and not the offroad/race one... which is just an added headlight from the YZ.... sorta).


Here you go:
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Re: No more Supermoto??

Postby Sweet Vibrations » December 27th, 2012, 11:53 pm

H2bill wrote:
ELI the ICE man wrote:
Mossy-Back wrote:What I want to know is... How are the Husky's (say, the 511) as far as dependability, fuel economy, and maint. cost?

I love my XR because it is simple and tough...


Better than KTM... worse than a Jap from what I understand.
I want something as close to a plated dirt bike as possible. The KLR's aren't that... the Yami WR's are pretty good, but the engine doesn't get bigger than 250cc's.
Husky seems to make what I want... a.k.a. TE511 (for 2013 models anyway).

HOWEVER, my questions are the same as yours... The WR is also on the table because I know they are pretty bullet proof (if we are talking about the dual stort WR, and not the offroad/race one... which is just an added headlight from the YZ.... sorta).


Here you go:
http://eugene.craigslist.org/mcy/3487532900.html

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